for Tues. TEA TIME in L.A. (#23)REMINDER: 7-8PM Bronze
CORKBOARD for Tues. Tea Time in
L.A.(#22) REMINDER 7-8PM Bronze Time / 12-1AM
Posted by: forensicpopouri - Apr 16, 2002, 4:05
THIS IS NOT TEA
TIME. THIS IS THE CORKBOARD.
TEA TIME, THE "VERSE ONLY" RULE DOES NOT
Use the Corkboard for messages to
or discussion before or
after Tea Time. And, yes, do
suggestions, insightful quotes, . .
BtVS Episode Of The Day
PROPHECY GIRL (final episode of 1st
SOTD Sonnets Of The
#50-58/154 (8-Sonnet Sequence) DO I
NOTE: Combined into topic
thread - tid=71591
NATIONAL POETRY MONTH
* FP'S FRENCH
out on Supernatural Layer's verse.
Yesterday's sonnet lesson on the iambic
of the first line of
prunehilda's sonnet . . . was not a
The options listed were possible rewrites
in iambic pentameter.
* SLEEPY NOTE:
I actually fell asleep several times writing
sonnets. <smile> I've read all
your comments from yesterday. And
NEW TEA TIME GUESTS
* TEA TIME FAQ & INDEX:
* DESTINY (THE
PORTAL, THE ORACLE, AND YOU): tid=59313
YESTERDAY'S TEA TIME: tid=70254
Look for TEA TIME in L.A. at the top of the Bronze
forums page at 7PM Bronze Time.
Tea Time lasts one hour.
CORKBOARD APPEARS APPROXIMATELY 3 HRS BEFORE TEA
END OF CORKBOARD #23 ==== NEW CORKBOARD
#24 IS UP AT tid=74175 ==========
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 4:07
Ooops . . . wrong sonnet address link . .
. here's the right one
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 10:52
WHEN SHE WAS BAD BtVS 2.1
RESURRECTION'S A BITCAH (aka STAY, BAD BUFFY,
EARLY LINK TO TODAY'S SONNETS . . . BtVS
2.1 "When She Was Bad" tid=73798
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 10:46
The 13th episode. The
first of the second season. Joss wrote it. I wrote 4
sonnets about it. My bad.
goodtvguy - Apr 17, 2002, 6:10
. . . I think we
should start your training
ready. . . .
goodtvguy - Apr 17, 2002, 5:59
I couldn’t think
of anything. It’s a dumb game
EXT. SUNNYDALE— CEMETERY— NIGHT (BtVS 2.1
"When She Was Bad" - Scene 1)
goodtvguy - Apr 17, 2002, 5:48
Pan across and
over to the sidewalk along the cemetery
WILLOW and XANDER are on their way home.
Xander has an ice
cream cone and he and Willow
are playing a game.
FOR THE TIME-IMPAIRED: CONDENSED VERSION
OF ALL MY COMMENTS BELOW:
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 5:12
GOOD LORD! There's one last thing I want
to say about SHAKESPEREAN SONNET FORM
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 5:09
In the English speaking world,
there is no higher level of
cultural icon than
(Whether that is
truly warranted or not is open
to debate, but it
simply the case that that is so.)
A lot of what
gets called "poetry" is pretty
awful stuff. And, lord
knows, a lot of what I write
may well be pretty awful
. . . BUT whatever in bloody
hell you write . . .
and take the time and discipline
to put into
SHAKESPEAREAN SONNET FORM . . .
. . IS . . . by formal definition . . . a
sonnet in Shakesperean (or English)
It may be a sodding awful
BUT it is a Shakespearean
In a world where
information buries us all . . . where sentences
strewn beyond all possibility of reading them all . . .
into this maelstrom . . . YOU can cast your
voice . . .
. . . in Shakespeares form.
say . . . that is of some< b>cultural
I hope you will join me . . .
in this "game" . . . of
THE RULES . . . AND TEA
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 4:56
The best way to
think about "the rules" I have laid down for
TIME . . .
. . . is NOT to think of them as
constraints on ART.
BUT RATHER like the
rules of a sport.
Like Baseball or Football,
The rules are arbitrary. But they are the
rules of the game.
NOW . . . in the grand scheme,
I have more profound reasons
(having to do with the
future of online interaction, drama, and
etc) . . . to attempt to get more people to try
BUT <smile> . . . as far as TEA
TIME goes . . . consider it a "game"
where the RULES
are such and so.
Hence: Resistance is
futile. <serious smile>
LATER. (Off to
write sonnets. I pray they come.
OH YES . . . ABOUT "THE RULES" . .
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 4:48
I've got to get
started on today's sonnet(s), so I'll keep this short
for now . . .
Remember that I use the phrase
rhetorical verse to
describe the sonnet-form
things I'm writing. Not
Just a few years ago, I would have
thought the idea of writing . . .
what is, in
essence, an essay . . . or op-ed, or "legal argument"
within the formal constraints of
a Shakesperean sonnet
was nuts. BUT EXPERIENCE in
online debate led me
to . . . JUST TRY . . .
to see if I could do it.
BOOM. And I do
mean BOOM. What a revelation.
"philosophical" arguments were so "long winded"
clever girl (who shall forever remain nameless
<g> OK, "Joy")
used to make fun of them. "Yada
Making my CASE in sonnet form
. . . cured the "length" problem.
AND . . .
<smile> and the mocking stopped "real
2. AS A SIDE EFFECT . . . I
found that by running my "first thought"
"sonnet machine" . . . it automatically got shifted
into new possibilities. (Thinking of another
way to say something . . .
. . . or SOME OTHER
true thing you wouldn't have thought of if you
been (using a rhyming dictionary) to come up with a
match . . . AND get the iambic pentameter
AS I SAID ON THE LAST CORKBOARD (and in
that 4-sonnet sequence
about why I write Shakesperean
sonnets), using the form "makes
differently' . . . sometimes better. Sometimes
[TO BE CONTINUED BRIEFLY IN ONE MORE
A FEW "PROCESS" DETAILS . . . (Project
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 4:33
For the curious (and
to remind myself what in bloody hell I'm
here's my process for daily
Tea Time responses.
(1) Go to each of the Tea
Time discussion threads for that day (e.g., #23)
* 23 - TERRACE
* 23 - PORTAL
copy all the thread text . . . and pasting all of
it into one file.
(2) Then I go through
that file reading everything, and HIGHLIGHTING
various sizes and colors things that I need to pay
special attention to
in the evolution of Tea Time.
And, of course, the humor. AND, of course,
sucking up etc. <ewg> Seriously . . . everything
that you invest your
consciousness into putting into
these threads gets my full attention.
NOTE: I am still running at the edge of my ability to
pull this all off <smile>
so please don't think
I haven't paid attention to your comments because
haven't specifically responded with a written message.
(3) That said . . . it has been my practice
(although I've been running
out of wakeful moments to
do it) . . . to attempt to give some direct
in the POSTCARDS from FORENSIC POETRY.
semi-exhaustion for the sillyness that has
invaded that space . . . although most of the
some actual purpose . . . somehow. I
(4) I MUST NOW GO WRITE
TOMORROW'S SONNETS . . .
Depending upon what time I
get finished wrting them and
getting them html coded,
I may have a few more responses
to make to the
very significant comments that were
END OF THIS PROCESS DIARY
AND AS TUESDAY TURNS TO WEDNESDAY IN
forensicpopouri - Apr 17, 2002, 3:16
yada yada yada
Just got through watching the
first episode of SEASON TWO (BtVS #13 or 2.1) . .
"When She Was Bad"
"Prophecy Girl," also written by Joss. As usual, I've
taken notes on a
legal size legal pad <smile> .
. . I waste so much paper scribbling
GREAT BIG NOTES
. . . and drawing arrows . . . and circling things
colored markers. <smile>
I may even
read the Joss's script before I sonnet . . .
before I do . . . I'm going to use my currently
unbraindead state to
read everything "the
conspirators" have written today.
One thing I'll
definitely mention somewhere . . . is the REASON
that I thought Supernatural
lawyer was a guy . . . and believe me
not a sexist assumption.
Law school must makes
everybody speak with high testosterone shadings.
Enough for now.
I go to
drink in your thoughts.
re: Rules/Art (another one of my
lawyer - Apr 16,
2002, 8:29 PM
I have to agree with
FP that rules in art are more often that not a blessing.
Of course, this has been true in poetry for centuries,
but also in theatre (the "3 unities" rule in traditional
tragedies or the rules of the Comedia Del' Arte) and
visual arts in general (each school had its rules, even
in the increasingly anti-conformist 20th Century; didn't
Breton exclude Dali from the surrealist group for not
conforming with their manifesto?).
As FP said,
conforming to strict rules of form may actually reveal
deeper truths. It's like the words are forced to take a
life of their own. Don't misunderstand me, art should be
free, i.e. free to have rules or not. Reading Rimbault
(the rebel!) is to me as moving as reading more
traditional poets. But the goal is the same: finding the
Truth, a romantic absolute (God?), giving an
interpretation of human reality.
I just wanted to
give my insight into the earlier debate about IP and
rules in art. Hope it makes sense. That's really just my
opinion though. I guess rules also make me comfortable
and safe! But that's another issue!!!
forward to chatting with my co-conspirators soon. Last
note: glow, prunehilda: I was reading your exchange on the
Terrace. I really enjoyed it. Studied Plato a long time
ago (another life-time?); I was always fascinated with
his obsession for beauty (have you read the "Banquet?" I
recommend it). prunehilda, thank you for reminding me of
SLEEP? <smile> Sleep is for babies!
forensicpopouri - Apr 16, 2002, 4:52
Thanks SL . . . Very
much appreciate your warm concern.
the days progress, the administrative
aspects of TEA
TIME get a bit easier.
NOTE: Although it may seem
insane <smile> to
keep Tea Time going 7
days a week . . . it is a
necessary part of the
process for project evolution
constraints of the Bronze.
P.S. When I first
"surveyed" the Bronze . . .it seemed
like a very bad
design. BUT NOW, I find that it's
for a lack "tid linking") is far
superior to some
more "fancy" boards I've seen.
Oh well . . . off
to do a bit more Tea Time design.
I was beginning to get a little
prunehilda - Apr 16, 2002, 4:49
about you today FP. I
thought all that pizza together with very little sleep
was a good recipe for a heart attack. If you like SNL,
glow and I can just meet on the terrace for a few days.
It's worth consideration.
SNL The first clue in
todays sonnets is the title "Do I Have To?" Obviously we
THE BEAUTY OF THE RULES
forensicpopouri - Apr 16, 2002, 4:45
I have referred
to the 4-sonnet sequence
"WHY I POST IN
SHAKESPEAREAN SONNETS" (see the FAQ/Index) . .
. . . what I will add to that complete "case"
the value of writing rhetorical
conforming to the rules of
Shakespearean sonnets . . .
. . . is that
in following the rules
I wrote the 8 sonnets
today . . . with really
no idea what I would discover
when I wrote them.
The sonnet form brought
forth my voice.
The rules are not a prison. They
are a blessing.
FP, you are very welcome.... but MANY
THANKS TO YOU first.
lawyer - Apr 16,
2002, 4:38 PM
You are doing an
amazing job and know how to keep us on our toes (the
position can be quite uncomfortable... but I'm
I look forward to Tea Time every day...
even if I never get the mysterious path through the
Portal (if there is one). Also enjoy my conversations
with glow, prunehilda and all. So many smart people around
here... I feel lost!!
FP: don't forget to get some
sleep! You are no good to us if you pass out during tea
time! No, seriously, take care of yourself. I'm sure
none of us will mind a couple of days without tea time,
if needed for you to recuperate (and for us fellow
conspirators to have a special meeting!).
NOTE TO ALL: Again, I VERY much
appreciate your participation in this creative
forensicpopouri - Apr 16, 2002, 4:29
The design of TEA TIME
and evolution of the daily
procedures would not be
possible without your participation.
not arrogant. <smile> I'm tired.
heart, soul, and complete attention
is on this
creative project . . . which is nothing
OF COURSE.... (to fellow conspirators and
lawyer - Apr 16,
2002, 4:22 PM
an on-line translation
engine... I feel silly now! I should have used my one
and only gift: my research skills... got lazy here and I
paid for it!! :)
Fellow conspirators, I will be
off and on today, but I look forward to your (our)
discussions. I read yesterday's Corkboard. Are we
getting further from our goal by over-analyzing the
clues? I am just as confused as you are. I still think
the key is in trying to write a decent sonnet in IP.
prunehilda, I get your point on not being willing to
follow the rules! I am a little more conformist than
you, I guess... (look at my job!). But I am still unable
to write in IP! I truly enjoy your points. They give me
a whole new perspective on things. (We're like the
A-team... each of us having different skills and
I read today's SOTD. It is
very beautiful. I'll definitely have to read it again
(and again) to get everything out of it (should I use
your Fish chip, FP? hee, hee).
have you noticed any clues in today's sonnet? Just want
to point out the verse: "A prophecy is a law of a
different form." Just made me think of yesterday's
reference to the law... Maybe another goose chase? (or a
As for the "shimmering
wall," I still think it's a (silver) screen of some kind
(computer, TV, movie, ???). Of course, as usual that
does not make us any closer to the goal (whatever the