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CORKBOARD for Fri. Tea Time in L.A.(#37) REMINDER 7-8PM Bronze Time / 12-1AM London
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 03, 2002, 1:03 PM

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= = = FRIDAY (5/3) TEA TIME #37 INFO & LINKS = = =

EOTD BtVS Episodes Of The Day: #23, #24 (2.11-12) - "Ted" & "Bad
Eggs"


SOTD Sonnet Of The Day: NOTHING TO SING ABOUT - tid=102735

Rhetorical verse in Shakespeare's form.

NOTE: NO TEA TIME THIS WEEKEND (SAT & SUN)
THIS CORKBOARD REMAINS ACTIVE UNTIL MONDAY AT 4:00PM
BRONZE



= = = GENERAL INFO & LINKS FOR NEW TEA TIME PARTICIPANTS = = =

THIS IS NOT TEA TIME. THIS IS THE CORKBOARD.
Use the Corkboard for messages to forensicpopouri or discussion before or
after Tea Time. And, yes, do post comments, suggestions, insightful quotes, . .

REMINDER: Look for TEA TIME in L.A. at the top of the Bronze threaded
forums page at 7PM Bronze Time. Tea Time lasts one hour.

EACH DAY'S CORKBOARD appears 3 hrs before Tea Time (4 PM
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NEW TEA TIME PARTICIPANTS SHOULD READ THESE:

* SONNET SCHOOL FOR SLAYERS - tid=81761

* WHY I POST IN SHAKESPEAREAN SONNETS: (1) tid=48156 (2) tid=48152

* TEA TIME FAQ & INDEX: tid=67836

* DESTINY (THE PORTAL, THE ORACLE, AND YOU): tid=59313

* YESTERDAY'S TEA TIME THREAD: tid=102236


POSTCARDS FROM FORENSICPOPOURI (if any) will appear as 1st resp. below


you speak



Responses


END OF CORKBOARD #37 =======================================================
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 4:15 PM 1 of 37

CORKBOARD #38 is up at tid= 105657
http://www.buffy.com/bronze_posts.jsp?tid=105657



To JNW
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 06, 2002, 12:47 PM 2 of 37

Yes, I know well of the "Prisoner's Dilemma." I do not believe that FP has "trigered" it yet, though. Plus, us prisoners do have a backchannel to communicate. No isolation here. I'll be happy to discuss this at lenghth with you on said backchannel if you wish (although my mind on this Monday morning may not quite yet be ready for complex-thought processing) <smile>
As for you bit on writers being actors... I will not argue the merits of your argument, but as to the form: well, dare I ask: are you a lawyer? <sincere smile> Thank you for your feedback.

And bravo for a delightful sonnet!



And the final thought for now (poetic in nature)
Posted by: JNW - May 06, 2002, 11:51 AM 3 of 37

Robert Frost may sometimes read like a complete curmudgeon, but that light from above does shine down from time to time. The sum of many posts these last days brought to mind a passage that seems apt, all things, if not fully considered, at least sampled. From "The Figure a Poem Makes":
...It begins in delight and ends in wisdom. The figure is the same as for love. No one can really hold that ecstasy should be static and stand still in one place. It begins in delight, it inclines to the impulse, it assumes direction with the first line laid down, it runs a course of lucky events, and ends in a clarification of life -- not necessarily a great clarification, such as sects and cults are founded on, but in a momentary stay against confusion. It has denouement. It has an outcome that though unforseen was predestined from the first image of the original mood -- and indeed from the very mood...



And general comments...
Posted by: JNW - May 06, 2002, 11:35 AM 4 of 37

You've all been so busy this past weekend, I spent my entire morning coffee time just reading posts -- but what a lovely way to wake up! In the interests of making use of our infinite improbability drive and prunehilda's very astute logical skills, I have a general comment/question to throw out to all. I'd also suggest those of the "C" consider it in terms of our as of late high traffic backchannel. And now, to the point: Our discussions of Nash's Equilibrium have been darting through my mind and led me to think of another game "strategy" that may bear relevance here. Have you ever heard of the Prisoner's Dilemma? And if you have, what do you think of it in terms of the games we're all playing here? On other topics, SL -- I'd suggest to you that writers are actors as well -- they act out imaginary lives, thoughts, questions, responses, and outcomes -- more often than not, acting as the devil's advocate <big smile>. Thus, orators are actors, attorneys are writers, writers are actors, and we're all players in various garbs though some like to hide it more than others... And all this illustrates a point of a rhetorician -- give me enough time and space and I can argue my way around anything, because reality is comprised of words and those who can maipulate words, can manipulate reality. <now a big grin>


A Sonnet to FP (rhetorical verse, of course), though others should feel free to read!
Posted by: JNW - May 06, 2002, 10:55 AM 5 of 37

I played your game; I tried it's true, but then
I saw the error lines had left. Rough drafts,
A few, and lines transcribed in haste, so when
The lines in sand I read, I said, "You're daft!"

A syllable too many, one misstep,
On points like these the universe might turn,
Or waves might rise and fall, or Buffy eps.
'A little death' of Angel's means he'll burn

For B in more than one assigned just way.
"But why?" you ask, "Must sex be set so high,
That what you get seems less than what you pay?"
Because. Some sex is both to lie and die.

And girls are told, "Why buy the cow," you see,
"Why buy, when you can get the milk for free?"

And here endeth the lesson <g>.



EARLY LINK TO MONDAY'S 9-SONNET SEQUENCE . . . BUFFY-DREAMS tid=105077
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 6:55 AM 6 of 37

http://www.buffy.com/bronze_posts.jsp?tid=105077


"improbability"
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 4:46 AM 7 of 37

Good Lord! Some typing errors must be corrected or the world will
go out of balance and ruin my pretty falling domino display at the end of time.



PUBLIC NOTICE . . . All future messages to fp from intellecutal property attorneys . . .
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 4:36 AM 8 of 37

. . . must be in Finnish, or they will not be processed. <g>

Hmmmm . . . . I don't think anyone ever got a Tea Leaf for the reference . . .

LATER (i.e., POOF)



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Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 4:26 AM 9 of 37


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Falling asleep at my keyboard . . . I had a quicky visionary dream . . .regarding prunehilda's request
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 4:18 AM 10 of 37

And I saw the number 94
scrawled across the forehead of a bust of Shakespeare.

My visionary dreams are pretty straightforward <smile>
so I assume that means Shakespeare's sonnet #94 . . .

. . . the whole of which can be rendered in one straightforward haiku
as follows:

Dear patron of mine:
When you abuse your power,
you're a real stinker.



One interpretation of such a dream in the context of your request
is that unless you have need to both flatter a patron and simultaneously
slap them silly so subtlely they won't notice (to protect your artistic soul or
some such nefarious reason)
. . . then there is something to be said for
clarity. That something being . . . Good Lord, who has time to figure out
what in bloody hell you're saying. <smile>

P.S. I may have better visions if you frame your comments in mathematical
concepts. (But I'm not giving you back the Kevlar.) <g>

END OF TRANSMISSION



P.S. ENCODED MESSAGE FOR GLOW (USE YOUR DECODER RING)
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 3:37 AM 11 of 37

1. Find page 13 in The Sounds Of Poetry . . . tear it out . . .
"throw the rest of the book away."

2. Find the page in Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy about
the infinite inprobabiility drive . . . tear it out . . .
"throw the rest of the book away."

3. Watch the Spider-Man movie . . . forget everything you've seen
except the last minute.

4. Tape a 3-hr international figure skating championship with
Irina Slutskya in it . . . erase everything but the last 30 seconds
of her performance (assuming she does that thing that only
she does during the last thirty seconds of her performance . . .
if she doesn't . . . keep taping events until she does that thing.)

3 Tea Leaves if you can tell me the name of that thing . . . that I
have only heard once, but can't remember.

5. Ponder 1-4. Rinse. Repeat.

END OF TRANSMISSION



AND NOW IT IS MONDAY IN SANTA MONICA =================================================
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 06, 2002, 3:14 AM 12 of 37

But back when it was Sunday <smile> . . . I read the New York Times
in the morning . . .

. . . wrote 9 sonnet-like things in the afternoon . . .

. . . and GOOD LORD <g> I peep at the CORKBOARD and
find this conversation thingy going on . . . which makes noises like
it wants my attention for some ungodly reason . . . on a weekend that I'm taking
off to rest. Bloody hell!<EWG>

I must have a visionary dream about this before any response is possible.

LATER.



To FP
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 06, 2002, 1:58 AM 13 of 37

About "attorneys" v. "orators," some European countries--for example England and to a lesser extent France--have had the brilliant idea to keep the distinction alive. As you know, in England, "barristers" plead in court, while "sollicitors" do the rest. In France "avocats" usually go to court, while "conseillers juridiques" give legal advice without even having to join the Bar.
In the US, in theory, the distinction does not exist. But in practice lawyers define themselves as litigators and/or transactional attorneys. As lazy and self-conscious as I am, I picked the category where I don't have to get my ass-kicked by a judge every other day. Of course, I have to listen to clients whine about making only ten times more than I do rather than twelve ... but at least I don't have to defend them in court. <cynical smile>
Orators are actors; attorneys are writers... Both are scum (or rhetoricians?) <smile> but at least the second category does not have to do it in public; we stay in our cozy offices, making your life miserable... <smile> and sometimes, only sometimes, (but these times count more than the rest) do our part for "Democracy and other good things."


Side note, on the topic of "Democracy:"
L'escroc a gagne. Vive l'escroc!



Note to prunehilda
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 06, 2002, 1:37 AM 14 of 37

Please feel free to dispose of your Tea Leaf as you wish. As as said, it is yours, without any "future interest" attached to it, i.e. it's not meant to revert back to me (Look at me, talking like a lawyer! <sigh>)I of course support your plea to transfer it to JNW who, by actually achieving the "goal" of writing perfect IP, has been so far our most successful member.
So I join my "vote" to yours. With all these talks of democracy, we hope FP will hear us. <smile>



Hello FP
Posted by: prunehilda - May 06, 2002, 1:24 AM 15 of 37

I need some clarification as to what you mean by staightforward when you refer to our attempts to write iambic pentameter sonnets. Also, does the sonnet have to
be rhetorical because ( and please take no offence )sometimes I think there may be too much rhetoric in the world and not enough poetry. I'm assuming it has to be Buffy related.

Next, I would like to address JNWs tea leaf. Her valiant efforts should be rewarded with as many tea leaves that are due for a complete IP sonnet. The rule about sonnets only came into existence after what I like to refer to as my private, little rebellion. Hardly her fault. ( Just for the TT record there were 2 revolutionary sonnets that day. The second began on the terrace and moved into the lounge.)
Since the purpose of my return to TT isn't to transcend the portal myself but to help the others get as far as they can I am tempted to transfer my tea leaf to JNW. But it would be ungracious to give away SNLs gift and I've promised to return it to her if she needs it.
**(Note to self: Have discussed my reasons for rebellion with PG and received a sympathetic ear. I wonder if she understands my return? Mail Pleasant_Guest!)
FP please consider this request.



Dear FP
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 05, 2002, 10:51 PM 16 of 37

<smile>
And, thanks to you, I end an otherwise disappointing week-end with a smile... And again I am more than grateful and hear myself think the most unusual words: "Can't wait for Monday!"
<smile. again>



THIS LINE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 05, 2002, 3:50 AM 17 of 37

. . . is drawn to mark the end of this strange weekend LEGAL INTERLUDE . . .

Except for this CODA (which is far more "biblical" than HGTTG<g>):

Beyond law are love, grace, and mercy.
SOURCE: LOVE & LAW: The Trials of King Lear
by Paul W. Kahn
Robert W. Winner Professor of Law and the Humanities at Yale Law School



disregard the "?" at the end of the previous message.
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 05, 2002, 3:20 AM 18 of 37

Insert a "?" in all other situations. <smile>


AND IT IS NOW SUNDAY IN SANTA MONICA ===============================================
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 05, 2002, 3:17 AM 19 of 37

And I have watched BtVS episodes #25-26. Marti Noxon wrote the first. Joss wrote the second.

Will I write eight sonnets in response . . . or do they deserve only one? . . .


SOME SIGNS CARRIED ON MAY DAY IN FRANCE:

                      Votez escroc, pas facho?



If David Boise could write 154 rhetorical sonnets in 60 days . . .
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 05, 2002, 3:10 AM 20 of 37

Al Gore would be president

. . . and Napster would have "prevailed."




And if I find that a few years hence, I have still not been able to
"overlook" the defiling of the Constitution and democracy
by the Supreme Court in the first matter . . .

. . . Marbury v. Madison . . . will be "revisited" . . . with consequence.
<rhetorical smile>



In Cicero's day . . .
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 05, 2002, 2:58 AM 21 of 37

"Attorneys" were subject experts . . .

     . . . who briefed orators on technical matters.


Orators made the case.



A SHIMMERING BEAM OF LIGHT FROM A HEAVENLY DIRECTION STILL
ADORNS THE HEAD OF A POETIC RHETORICIAN WITH A 310 AREA CODE
. . . WITH NO (AS YET DISCOVERED) PROPHECTIC TEXT TO EXPLAIN IT . . .
BUT ALLUDED TO IN DREAMS OF FRENCH MONKEYS WITHOUT PANTS.



I once crossed paths with the dean of the Yale Law School (Anthony T. Kronman) . . .
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 05, 2002, 2:46 AM 22 of 37

         His parents wrote for television.

Before he "fell" into the law, he was a philosopher.

          The book he wrote "after the fall"
<uninterpretable smile> . . .

The Lost Lawyer.



Dear FP
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 04, 2002, 4:32 AM 23 of 37

The exempted SL is ever grateful... (side note: her secret "expertise" being indeed copyright law, she cannot help but feel slightly embarrassed--even guilty--for whatever wrong her kind as caused).

Of course, <sadistic grin> They now know where you live and will soon leave Their headquarters ("corporate" of course) and chase you down until all that you have left is your rhetoric. Such words against my race are not spoken lightly... You should know that... Now the question is: will I put in a word for you...? Mmmmmm... <wide grin, all lawyerly teeth showing>



Hmmmm . . . there were certain words and phrase linkages that did not make . . .
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 04, 2002, 3:30 AM 24 of 37

. . . it from my mind to my fingertips intact. (smile)

Pehaps I should take Supernatural lawyer's advice and rest.

NOTE: As a known advocate of democracy and other good things
I exempt S.L. from my smolder. (At least with regard to copyright law.<g>)

For now. Good night.



AND NOW IT IS SATURDAY IN SANTA MONICA ===========================================
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 04, 2002, 3:22 AM 25 of 37

(serious smile)
And I am in a particularly pious (imagine other p-words there) mood
regarding corporate lawyers tonight . . .

. . . since the various scripts of the Spider-Man movie . . . the story of which
has evolved (I have heard) in fascinating ways . . .

. . . but I cannot read them now, because of all the little threatening letters
which intimidate those who are easily intimidated by lawyers
which have worked their evil in destroying a part of the collective intelligence
of creative civilization.

I am, of course, (apparently) unfairly simplifying a complex issue here . . .
but that is, of course, what rhetoricians do.

Well, not exactly. What we do is . . . We prevail.


AND AT THAT MOMENT, A LIGHT STREAMS DOWN FROM HEAVEN
UPON THE HEAD OF FORENSICPOPOURI . . . WHATEVER THAT MEANS <g>



FP
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 04, 2002, 2:57 AM 26 of 37

You?... in here... so late? <smile>
Have the resting week-end you deserve.



TO THOSE WHO SEE THE SPIDER-MAN MOVIE
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 04, 2002, 2:53 AM 27 of 37

I direct your attention to the last minute of the movie . . .
. . . the scene between the male "fated hero" . . . and the
young woman he has yearned for since he first set eyes on
her when he was six.

Notice the choice he makes . . . given his gift+responsibility.
(Listen to the voice-over as the scene ends.)

NEXT: Consider the female "fated hero" as embodied by Buffy.

THEN: Imagine the sonnet you think I'd write about Spiderman & Buffy.



INT. THE BRONZE— NIGHT [NOTE: FROM DREAM SEQUENCE EARLY IN EPISODE #25]
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 04, 2002, 2:05 AM 28 of 37

A slow ballad is playing as Buffy ventures in. She finds WILLOW sitting at a table with a large cup of cappuccino and an organ grinder’s monkey. [NOTE: the monkey has on a red jacket and hat . . . but no pants]

                                                     WILLOW
                                                    (to monkey)
             L’hippo a piqué ses pantalons. (The hippo stole his pants.)



prunehilda
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 04, 2002, 1:12 AM 29 of 37

You are more than welcome about the Tea Leaf. However, as we say at home: "donner c'est donner; reprendre c'est voler." So this Tea Leaf is yours. However, I like the idea of giving Tea Leaves away,l as needed, to whomever will be finalist of this strange game. If it's me, I will accept them; if it is someone else, I will gladly give away my tea leaves.
As for Spiderman, I cannot help. The song of my chidlhood was ... in French ("SpEEderMAHNE" is of course the correct pronounciation!) and I cannot remember a word of it anyway!



I'm going to bed
Posted by: prunehilda - May 04, 2002, 12:50 AM 30 of 37

and I'm taking "The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" with me. (This isn't how I prefer my Friday nights to end)
However, I think that this book will become our new bible. I will report any important matters to the C in the Perpetual Backchannel.



Hi everyone. I'm beat and watching the Chris Isack Show.
Posted by: prunehilda - May 04, 2002, 12:29 AM 31 of 37

It's another great show. That four hour drive to the airport is a killer (it's four hours back too).

SNL- I wanted to thank you for the tea leaf although I feel you should have kept it. After all I couldn't attend TT and was quite lucky to still have a copy of the book. I don't want to seem unappreciative so I will accept it under the condition that if you need it to enter the Portal then I will transfer it back to you. Thank you again.

Now to the question of the skater and the spider.
What qualities does the skater possess? She has style, grace, confidence, skill, poise, charisma.....anything else?

The spider has...well I don't know about the new version but I do remember part of the song to the cartoon....

Spiderman, Spiderman
does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size
Can't you see
ta ta dum?

Look out. Here comes the Spiderman.

Maybe Spiderman has style too.



P.S. Regarding JNW's Tea Time SONNET READING
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 03, 2002, 8:53 PM 32 of 37

I will run it through both the verse verifier
and the hermeneutic thing-a-ma-bob sometime
this weekend. Trajectories will be calculated then. (smile)



a brief note as we head into the Tea Timeless weekend . . .
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 03, 2002, 8:42 PM 33 of 37

I'm running a diagnostic on the Oracle, and there seems
to be a conflict being generated in its storyline processor having
something to do with . . . "Slayer/Spider incompatibility. "

Don't ask me what that means. That's what it says. A.I. is tricky.
I'll ponder it in my backburner cells this weekend. (smile)

REMINDER: I am not reading the C Backchannel
and will not (at least until 154). I consider that part of THE RULES.

TEA LEAF ACCOUNTING:

Supernatural lawyer: 4

glow: 3

yelnif: 1

prunehilda: 1

JNW: (I'm waiting for C input regarding this matter. See earlier note.)

------------------------------
I'll check this CORKBOARD from time to time this weekend. And may
add some comments . . . if something significant comes to mind. (smile)

LATER.



Haven't quite left yet, so quickly...
Posted by: JNW - May 03, 2002, 8:30 PM 34 of 37

One: The Oracle posted past thread's end at tea-time -- no doubt offended by thoughts of "dotoxing" (his words, not mine).
Two: Clever Glow! They are indeed Snow monkeys and very friendly too. I've even shared Onsen (natural spring hot tub) with them from time. But you must be careful not to feed them. Like that monkey with no pants, they always want more...
Three: So glad to "read" you all tonight! Thanks very much for improving my mood enormously!



God (or whatever powers you choose to hedge your bets with) forgive me...
Posted by: JNW - May 03, 2002, 8:10 PM 35 of 37

for uttering the following phrase, but as I mentioned in my sonnet -- feeling fey tonight. So, "Oops, I did it again." I posted past last call. Specifically to Glow, but all others feel free to read. Nice thing about these threads -- that whole line "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here," doesn't apply. I'm off to a music festival and some carousing. Be well!


Dear FP
Posted by: Supernatural lawyer - May 03, 2002, 1:22 PM 36 of 37

The "C" will expect full sonnetization of Sam Raimi's last installment... (here goes your week-end!) <smile> "Hollywood Ending" is also coming out today; I cannot comprehend how I can be "stuck at work" when two of my "cult" directors are coming out with new movies... <Note to self: ponder over the underlying unfairness of being "normal">

Last note as a follow-up to yesterday's TT: like "hurting the Fett" or flirting with Courtney Love, letting laywers (in your... sorry... Mr. Verschip's own words) "turn you on" is not something you come back from... <Spike-like grin>



PROSE POSTCARDS FROM FORENSICPOPOURI
Posted by: forensicpopouri - May 03, 2002, 1:05 PM 37 of 37

* I'm running out the door right now <smile> . . . may add some comments,
quotes, etc. this weekend.

Tea Time today at normal time.




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